I don't claim to know how valid this is.

Be careful with sights like this.

Don't you know that all the conspiracy theorists are conspiring to take over our government?

That is why you research the information. Trust me, you would be terrified to know how many of those things are actually true.

OK, I "Thought" I was being humorous, but I guess the humor is in the interpretation, not the telling.

I do not dispute any of the citations, just the "opinion stated as fact" conclusions.

For example, the assertion that Habeas Corpus was repealed by the Military Commissions Act of 2006. Even though they cite the text of the bill (which I can only assume is the same as the passed law), they didn't seem to read it. Seems they expect there visitors to see they link to the text and assume they interpreted it correctly. Habeas Corpus is a Constitutional right preserved for the people of the United States in the bill of rights. The Constitution and its amendments apply to the civilian workings of the government and its relationship to the people of the United States. It does not, and never has, been applicable to enemy combatants captured during time of war. Not during any war ever fought, even those fought by the founding fathers AFTER the Constitution was ratified. The bill they display as evidence distinctly relates to the use of military tribunals for captured enemy combatants captured in foreign lands. It creates a distinction between "legal" enemy combatants and "illegal" enemy combatants. In the past, those that fit the "illegal" definition were simply classified as spies and treated accordingly. (Legally, under the Geneva Convention, this could be a summary court or no court at all, then execution.) This bill actually makes their treatment more rigid and regulated.

Since FDR, there have been enough laws that trample the Constitution to fill a medium sized library. With that they are grasping and trying to find demons in the shadows of ANY law or government action, particularly those during "that evil Bush administration".

These folks provide the Kook factor that keeps legitimate claims of government overreaching from seeing any serious consideration by the masses.

I stopped reading the page as soon as I saw the word Chemtrails

I stopped when he mentioned the Kook Factor.

Wait...do you mean that the constitution only applies in the US??? Say it ain't so...just say it ain't so...

I don't think any website is 100% accurate, but I think some of their articles have some truth.

For argument's sake..Say most of the facts are true.

What do we do about it?

Turn on, tune in, drop out?

That didn't work...unfortunately.

A) Most of the "facts" are not true, but either total paranoia or a notion of truth that has been twisted around a paranoid conclusion until it resembles nothing of its former self.

B) Even if they WERE true, there wouldn't be much we could do about it unless we were to form a group that could act as a single unit at a moment's notice. This will not happen because Americans are spread far and wide geographically. One issue that may be near and dear in one location is nothing but a passing interest in another.

Also think about the logistical needs for a useful resistance...pretend it starts in Cleveland. What would someone like me in Phoenix be expected to do to contribute to the movement? Hiding up in the woods with a cabin full of arms does exactly nothing. It's just another group of like minded people who like to bitch to one another. Very similar to gun nuts, or emos, or Deadheads or Young Republicans for Freedom.

They will never ever be organized enough to be able to do anything other than have websites from which to spout their flavor of opinion. Not enough people just plain give a shit enough to devote the time / effort / money / personal sacrifice required. We're too busy paying our bills, raising our kids and trying to live a life that is reasonably happy.

And yes, I know...well what IF we can reach enough to do just that? Well, good luck with that is all I have to say. When you have stuff in your creed that talks about Chemtrails, the Illuminati and the Elite Banking Cabal as bona fide topics, there's no way in hell you will ever reach anyone of means who will take you seriously.

Trippy concept...

I hope your right.

What's more likely?

There is a world wide conspiracy to control every aspect of our lives that has been in existence for hundreds if not thousands of years and that uses (amongst its vast array of powers): fluoride in the water, communism taught in public schools and chemicals sprayed out of airplane exhaust for population and mind control, while remaining a closely guarded secret to the ENTIRE WORLD except for the select few who are members (and those who for some reason happen to have stumbled across the "truth" and are on a dedicated battle to inform the rest of us even though this Cabal could have had them erased at anytime without even trying).

OR

There is a bunch of paranoid people who have access to the internet and a lot of spare time.

I think you may be exaggerating a bit, but nevertheless, I do believe certain aspects of these theories could/do happen, and are happening today.

The internet junkies who preach this stuff probably have a lot to do with the distortion of the actual facts, I accept that. But if nobody cared/talked about these things, then the likelihood that they would actually happen, I think, would increase. The awareness of the possibility can be a strong defense in itself.

What it says about economic conditions sounds even fishier.


Sounds like they have lots of gold, and they are waiting to sell it for really high profit. And their warnings of inflation seem a bit not up to date.

I came into this site pretty open-minded. I started by clicking on three of their links that I thought I would be interested in. I clicked on "Genetically Modified Foods", "Global Warming", and "Population Control"

This site is just conspirist bulls**t. They present only the facts that they can twist into something that supports their cause. Every article I clicked on eventually came back to the same bat-s**t crazy theory.

I have researched these New World Order theories in the past, and come to the conclusion that they are completely crazy. They always follow the same formula: Present a bunch of isolated facts and quotes with no context until they can spoonfeed you a conclusion that seems to make sense (as long as you don't think about it for too long).

Here is an excellent quote from Domhoffs 2005 essay "There are no conspiracies":

It's all true. Every word of it.

I know because I read it on the internet.


(and in a few emails that have at least 3 or 4 "FW:" on the subject line.)

And I hope you forwarded it to all of your friends so that they can be protected and informed as well.

Of course I do.

And I'm nice enough to leave all of the previous forwards included in the email so you can go through it and make sure you don't send the same email to someone who's already received it.

Some of the information was found even before the internet was established sweetie. You also might want to pick up Modern Economics(about marginal banking) :-D